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by

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my name is David Marlar I'm a UFO

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researcher and author I've been

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investigating the subject for 25 years

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actively my first introduction to the

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UFO subject was actually at the age of

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five living in the st. Louis area at the

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age of five years old in 1973 there was

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a wave of UFO activity in and around the

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city of Piedmont Missouri which is in

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southeast Missouri and at that time they

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were seeing nocturnal lights and objects

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in the sky and it basically was what we

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call now a wave or flap of UFO sightings

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that was occurring at that time my

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father's best friend growing up because

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he was from that area was one of the

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primary witnesses that was one of the

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first witnesses to see these nocturnal

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lights and I remember my father at the

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age of five saying if his friend said he

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saw it he saw it and many people from

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the st. Louis area were traveling down

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to Piedmont Missouri to quote/unquote

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look for UFOs the story had garnered a

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lot of attention with the newspaper in

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st. Louis as well as television news

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channels and they were going down

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filming interviewing witnesses and my

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father my older brothers my older sister

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piled in the car on a number of

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occasions on weekends during this time

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frame to go down like everyone else to

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look for UFOs and although they never

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did see a UFO themselves they came back

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with these stories of people that they

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had talked to so you know from a

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secondary standpoint I heard about these

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accounts it fueled my interest and

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imagination at the age of five and after

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that two years later in 1970 are

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actually in 1977 four years later my

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sister and brother-in-law had a sighting

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outside of Kansas City Missouri that was

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very dramatic very close a true close

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encounter and it terrified them and four

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years after I would hear them relay this

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story and looking back on it it's

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suggested that maybe it was more than

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just a sighting that had occurred then

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one year after that in 1978 another wave

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of UFO activity and in this case cattle

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mutilations was occurring in and around

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the area known as ellsbury missouri

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north of st. Louis

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and again it garnered a lot of local

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media attention newspaper television

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news crews etc so it was a series of

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events in my early childhood where I

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consistently kept hearing about these

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UFOs although never having seen or

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experienced one myself then jumping

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forward to 1990 is when I first heard

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about the mutual UFO network or MUFON

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and I was then put in touch with mr.

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Forrest Crawford in southern Illinois

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and became a member of a MUFON started

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off as a field investigator trainee

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field investigators state section

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director and ultimately took over as the

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Illinois State Director for MUFON began

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to engage in educational lectures for

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adult and school groups doing numerous

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investigations in the state of Illinois

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for MUFON and then in January 5th 2000

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on that date we had a significant UFO

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sighting involving multiple police

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precincts as well as civilian witnesses

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who all reported this large triangular

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UFO moving very low altitude over the

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area around Scott Air Force Base

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Illinois and so that really launched

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kind of my name out in the into the

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public because it was a very

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high-profile case that I investigated

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and from that point as I was

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interviewing these police officers I was

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already familiar with the wave in

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Belgium from 1989 to 1991 and as I'm

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sitting interviewing these police

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officers in southern Illinois I quickly

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realized that what they were sketching

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what they were describing the flight

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characteristics matched what was being

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reported in Belgium just 10 years prior

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and I found that very intriguing because

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I knew these police officers had no

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knowledge of those sightings and the

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similarities were striking and based on

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the fact that we have these two

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significant reports in Belgium in

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southern Illinois with commonalities I

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decided to go ahead and start doing an

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exhaustive historical review of other

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cases involving these triangular UFOs

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because one of the other things I had

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noted was the increased frequency of

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reports back in the day in the 40s and

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the 50s we were all familiar with flying

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saucers flying discs but something was

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changing in the reporting with these

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UFOs and more

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and more prevalent were these triangular

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UFO reports so over a 13 year period

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roughly I started amassing a huge

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collection of Case Files material and

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then parsing the data and looking for

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commonalities in the reports common

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characteristics I worked up a working

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profile if you will of these triangular

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UFOs put together a comprehensive

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timeline showing that these reports not

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only went back to the 80s and the 90s

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but in point of fact went back to the

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70s 60s 50s 40s and the earliest

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accounts I have in scientific America go

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back to 1882 so there's an argument out

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there that these triangular UFOs must be

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military in origin and I would agree and

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I would state on the record that some of

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these triangular UFOs probably are

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military aircraft of some type of some

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nature but when you look at the

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historical timeline I think it begs the

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question that perhaps some of these

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triangular UFOs or someone else's

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technology insofar as differentiating

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between those that might be military or

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let's just say non terrestrial and for a

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simple description the things that I

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look for that are highly unusual the

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anomalous characteristics if you will

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nonlinear movement in other words if

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we're dealing with a triangular aircraft

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like let's say a b-2 stealth bomber for

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example they fly in a linear pattern

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when they turn they make a wide radius

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bank or turn like conventional aircraft

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these objects the the anomalous ones if

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you will they will fly in a straight

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line and then suddenly make a flat right

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angle turn literally pivot in midair and

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then suddenly shoot off at a right angle

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and so that's highly anomalous you know

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highly unusual for conventional aircraft

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another characteristic beyond the the

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sheer scale of these triangular UFOs

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which some have been estimated to be 300

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feet long which is significant

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considering the b-2 stealth bombers only

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172 feet in width these things in some

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cases are equilateral triangles

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estimated to be 300 feet on each length

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but beyond the sheer scale the size of

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these objects is the fact that they have

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complete absence of

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sound and many of the witnesses that

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I've interviewed have stated it wasn't

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just the sheer size of looking at this

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object but the absence of sound

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witnesses told me on a number of

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occasions we felt like it was just going

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to fall on us because we didn't hear any

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aircraft or engine noise to keep this

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thing aloft and so they're highly

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significant highly emotional sighting

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reports it's one thing to see a light in

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the sky and I've interviewed numerous

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people over the years that have had

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light in the sky reports or seeing a

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small disc shaped object zipping across

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the sky these triangular UFO reports

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when you talk to the witnesses and I'm

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talking about Bank presidents that I've

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talked to that of witnesses Catholic

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priests and especially police officers

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hardened law enforcement officers that

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are used to seeing things there is a

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motion in their testimony as they're

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sitting there relaying it in fact a

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number of police officers that have

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spoken to me about their sightings as I

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was interviewing him said if you were to

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come through that door a year ago and

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told me you investigated UFOs I'd say

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get out of my office but then suddenly

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they get very somber and state but

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whatever I saw it wasn't anything that

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we could have possibly had that's their

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testimony and the emotion you can see

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them get agitated you can see them get

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very apprehensive as they relate what

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occurred because many of these

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triangular UFOs are only estimated be

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five hundred to a thousand feet above

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their head so there's an intimidation

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factor there's these are highly

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emotionally charged experiences for many

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of these individuals both law

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enforcement as well as other witnesses

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I've had a lot of pilots that have seen

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these things witnessed these objects

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military active and retired that have

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reported seeing these triangular UFOs

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and in my investigation I'm not an

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expert on aircraft design and aviation

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but I've enlisted the aid of those that

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have worked on projects I've interviewed

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aerospace engineers from British

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McDonnell Douglas aerospace engineers

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some that were involved in highly

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compartmentalized classified projects

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specifically in the area of advanced

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propulsion design and they have stated

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on the record to me that we are working

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on concepts that might lend to some of

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the flight dynamics that have been

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reported in these you

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sightings but based on their testimony

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to me they state we have nothing to wear

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it's a working prototype or model of the

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scale that these witnesses have

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described and one of the things I always

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like to point out as well with a Belgian

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wave as well as many of the other

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historical cases that I pulled from Air

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Force project Bluebook files for example

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a number of reports involving not only

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multiple witness sightings of these

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objects but radar confirmation and I

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think that's important many people can

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dismiss visual sightings as a loosen

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ation and misinterpretation of prosaic

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items or objects but when you have radar

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confirmation that really adds another

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layer of credibility to these reports

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and in fact during the Belgian wave they

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had four separate NATO ground-based

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tracking stations observing and tracking

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one of these triangular UFOs it was

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enough to warrant the Belgian military

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to dispatch two f-16s to try to get a

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closer look and identify these objects

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and the pilot his name was easy Yves

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meals Berg actually locked on multiple

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times with onboard radar on his f-16 but

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each time he locked on the objects would

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just tear away at blistering speed and

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make acute right angle turns at high

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speeds and another characteristic which

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answers the question how do you

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differentiate maybe conventional

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aircraft from the more anomalous

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triangular UFO reports we have a number

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of cases where they've been tracked on

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radar and visually tracked where we can

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estimate that these things these objects

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moved at supersonic speed yet there's no

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sonic boom so it really defies physics

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as we know it to see something like that

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occur and again aerospace engineers have

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stated we have certain techniques that

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might minimise or you know to an extent

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mitigate the sonic shockwave that's

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created when planes go hypersonic

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supersonic but they're still perplexed

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by that characteristic of these objects

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and another characteristic in addition

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to traveling fast in some cases these

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triangular UFOs are reported to relocate

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in other words they're over in this

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portion of the sky and then in another

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second it's suddenly over to the the

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witness's right and they don't track the

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object visually move

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it literally pops from one location to

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another and so that's another

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characteristics that that's highly

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unusual in this particular instance in

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researching historical cases as well as

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the January 5th 2000 and so then in that

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particular case the latter case I filed

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a Freedom of Information Act request

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with Scott Air Force Base the fact we

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had this large triangular UFO reported

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by multiple police officers so close to

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a military base warranted that request

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as an investigator we have to turn over

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every stone and to be quite honest at

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first I thought maybe this was something

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military that these individuals had seen

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simply because of the proximity to Scott

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Air Force Base so I filed a Freedom of

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Information Act request asking a series

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of questions specifically were you

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operating any top-secret vehicle where

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their military operations going on or

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were you supporting military operations

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in that area at that time that might

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lend credence to these officers may be

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seeing something military answers came

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back negatory and in fact they stated

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that their radar system was down at the

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time of the sighting but the Freedom of

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Information Act is an important tool

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other researchers have actually used it

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much more widely than I have in their

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investigations the problem with the

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Freedom of Information Act though is you

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have to be very specific in your request

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you can't simply say I want all UFO

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documents or files pertaining to the

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term UFO or flying saucer and in some

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cases you have to know the department by

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which you want to request this

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information and even then if you're

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requesting it from the Air Force is that

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just the secretary of the Air Force is

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that OSI Office of Special Investigation

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so you have to be specific in the

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department that you're requesting you

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have to be specific in the search terms

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that you're requesting and also

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timeframe are you talking a ten year

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period are you talking about a specific

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date and even then key terms if you're

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requesting something regarding a certain

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project you need to know what that

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project name was sometimes they have a

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public name for a project sometimes they

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have a secured name or a classified name

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for that project you need to make sure

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that you put all that search criteria

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into your request and so the Freedom of

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Information Act can be an important tool

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now

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luckily from an investigative standpoint

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and this helped me with writing my book

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on triangular UFOs is the fact that many

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of these documents are already publicly

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accessible for example Air Force project

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Bluebook files are now available online

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you don't have to file a request the

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British mo D Ministry of Defence their

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files have now been released on our

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widely accessible online and many of

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those files I had to incorporate into my

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book because they were chock-full of

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very good quality cases again visual but

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visual sometimes with radar confirmation

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as well so the freedom of information

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that can be a very good tool but you

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have to know what you're asking for when

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you apply for it after my book was

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published on triangular UFOs I was

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amazed at the response namely my

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attitude was I want to write the book to

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get the information out there what I

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wasn't fully prepared for was the volume

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of testimony volume eyewitness reports

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that's something I was receiving

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worldwide readers were picking up my

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book digesting the information some

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individuals had emailed me in contacting

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me saying they had never read a UFO book

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but they had a triangular UFO sighting

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years ago and happened just stumble

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across my book or a friend referred them

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to it and suddenly I was getting an

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influx of additional reports in fact

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some of the historical cases I wrote

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about in the book although prior to

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writing the book had no knowledge of

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their sighting they contacted me stating

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you wrote of this report in November of

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1980 over the state of Missouri I was

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one of those witnesses so it really

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helped bolster some of the case material

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material I already had on some of these

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very specific cases but in trying to

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avoid being typecast if you will or

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stereotyped as the triangle guy who some

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people have referred me to in the UFO

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field I wanted to branch out and let

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people realize that I have an extensive

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UFO library not just on the triangular

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UFO phenomenon but I have historical

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material going back to 1896 1897

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original newspapers from that time

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period chronicling the airship sightings

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for example that were being reported at

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the time a lot of documents from World

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War two chronicling the Foo Fighter

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mystery the ghost rockets over Sweden

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but one of the

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cases when I moved out to New Mexico

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four years ago I wanted to try to

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investigate more thoroughly was the wave

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of UFOs over Farmington New Mexico and

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just briefly this involved thousands of

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witnesses estimated thousands of

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eyewitnesses in broad daylight which i

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think is a very important point to

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illustrate or highlight and they

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witnessed not dozens but hundreds of

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unidentified flying objects flying

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individually flying in formations over

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the town of Farmington New Mexico which

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is up in the Four Corners region up in

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the northwest corner of New Mexico and

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these witnesses not only observe these

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objects but their testimony was

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documented in the newspapers of the time

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so we have historical records we can go

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back to and look at and I found it

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dramatic from a UFO investigative

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standpoint we might have typically one

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or two witnesses to a UFO sighting and

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maybe one or two UFOs were observed in

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this case we had thousands of witnesses

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to hundreds of objects over a three-day

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period in broad daylight it doesn't get

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much better than that from an

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investigative standpoint now the problem

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was this occurred on March 15th 16th and

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17th way back in 1950 so we do have the

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passage of time that's gone by so it's

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very difficult to get a hold of

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witnesses after that long passage of

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time but I was able to track down a

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couple living eyewitnesses interview

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them and then also took a trip down to

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the University of Arizona where dr.

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James McDonald who was a very scientific

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UFO investigator back in the 60s he

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interviewed these individuals years

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after the fact and something that no one

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had ever done was go down and look at

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dr. MacDonald's files and he had a very

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thick file with detailed interview notes

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of not only the witnesses that were

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mentioned in the newspaper but I have

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over a dozen witnesses additional

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witnesses mentioned by name with

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detailed interviews that were conducted

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by dr. McDonald in the late 60s so we

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now have that material that we can

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correlate with the eyewitness testimony

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from the newspapers of the time and in

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going through the newspaper archives I

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was surprised to find that it was not an

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isolated case it did not just occur in

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Farmington New Mexico there were reports

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in Tucumcari

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New Mexico Santa Fe Albuquerque New

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Mexico extending all the way up into

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Colorado and in fact extending all the

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way down into Mexico Mexico was having a

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wave of sightings at the same time over

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Monterey Mexico City again involving

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multiple UFO s observed by dozens if not

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hundreds of eyewitnesses and again

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documented in the newspapers of the time

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I also went through government documents

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Air Force project Bluebook files and

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found references to other sightings that

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have occurred and then finding very

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unusual let's just say explanations put

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forth by the government and military at

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the time for the sightings which simply

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did not fit the facts and so I'm

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currently involved in investigating that

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working on a new book to try to

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chronicle and better illustrate what

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took place during that month long period

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in March of 1950 and hoping that that

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will shed some light on this case that

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for the most part has been ignored by

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the UFO research community all these

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years over the years I've always tried

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to take a conventional approach to an

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unconventional topic as I like to say

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look at the facts see where the facts

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lead you try to avoid any personal

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belief or bias that you might have

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simply follow the evidence and that's

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what I've tried to do and I've really

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tried to properly vet the material that

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I've investigated and more importantly

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that I've lectured about I always like

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to cite my references I always like to

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let people know where I'm getting the

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information because one of the goals as

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a researcher investigator and lecturer

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is to spark the audience's interest this

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is what I have found out but now I want

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you to take the next step

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help me try to understand this mystery

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more fully and so if I can you know

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spark that curiosity spark that interest

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in other people we need a collaborative

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effort I can't do it alone as I was

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remarking earlier to a friend this

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morning I stated that I have a lot of

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data data doesn't necessarily equate to

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answers so I'm still searching for those

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answers and so we really need a

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collaborative effort it's great that

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people are interested in the subject but

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I would encourage those if you're

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interested take an active role become an

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active investigator because

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an active researcher find what interests

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you specifically about the subject

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matter and run with that let that

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curiosity that's in your belly fuel you

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push you because looking back now I've

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been doing this for 25 years I never

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thought I would be where I am today I

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never thought I would write a book I was

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always one of those people just out

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there with that curiosity but as you

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delve into the subject more fully you

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realize that there's something here and

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after 25 years I'm still trying to

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realize what that something is but

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there's something here and I always like

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to say where there's smoke there's fire